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oakridge

Posted 5/13/2021 06:18 (#9002683) Subject: 2-4d vs enlist

West Central Wisconsin

Can someone explain to me the difference between the 2-4d in enlist vs 2-4d in lv4? senorthdakota

Posted 5/13/2021 06:57 (#9002749 - in reply to #9002683) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Enlist is made with coline..other 24/d is made with either ester or amine. An only the coline is labeled for enlist soybeans.... hope that helps the coline is more stable an less prone to volitize hone570

Posted 5/13/2021 07:29 (#9002845 - in reply to #9002683) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

EC WI

The short answer is the choline is only labeled for post, everything else business as usual.
6030Deere

Posted 5/13/2021 07:45 (#9002874 - in reply to #9002683) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

N MO

Enlist is 24d choline and has very little to no smell and will not volatize and move off target. Bhrfarms

Posted 5/13/2021 07:51 (#9002891 - in reply to #9002845) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northeast Indiana

Enlist is labeled for burndown/pre emergence in both corn and beans. For enlist soybeans, you must use enlist as a burndown instead of ester or amine if you want to be on label. Another fact about enlist that most people don't know, enlist one is labeled for burndown in non enlist corn without a plant back window. oakridge

Posted 5/13/2021 07:55 (#9002901 - in reply to #9002845) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

West Central Wisconsin

So if I just planted beans today, plan to spray tomorrow, can I just use a sniff of regular lv4? Enlist beans Bhrfarms

Posted 5/13/2021 08:17 (#9002954 - in reply to #9002901) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northeast Indiana

You are not supposed to. To be on label with enlist beans you are supposed to use only enlist herbicide. To be on label and use Lv4 on enlist beans you are supposed to follow the plant back window. lawfarms

Posted 5/13/2021 09:11 (#9003055 - in reply to #9002683) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

King City, Mo

LV6 was around $17 in 2.5’s

Enlist 1 was around $44 in 2.5’s

So it adds a lot of fat to their pocket

scooter75

Posted 5/13/2021 11:20 (#9003244 - in reply to #9002891) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

St George IL

You do not have to use enlist in the burn down. Pint of lv4 and wait 7 days just like always is fine and perfectly legal and on label. Bhrfarms

Posted 5/13/2021 12:11 (#9003318 - in reply to #9003244) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northeast Indiana

See Also

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only if you follow the plant back on the lv4 label. Read your technology agreement for enlist beans.

Edit: Even then I'm pretty sure the technology agreement says to only use Enlist 2-4D with Enlist soybeans.

Edited by Bhrfarms 5/13/2021 12:12

Bhrfarms

Posted 5/13/2021 12:16 (#9003327 - in reply to #9003244) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northeast Indiana

Authorized herbicides with Enlist E3™ soybeans
Enlist E3™ soybeans contain the patented gene that provides tolerance to 2,4-D choline, glyphosate and
glufosinate herbicides.
Following burndown, Enlist Duo™ with Colex-D™ technology is the only herbicide containing 2,4-D that is labeled
for pre-emergence and post-emergence use with Enlist E3 soybeans.
Growers are NOT authorized to:
• Use 2,4-D products without Colex-D Technology in conjunction with Enlist™ crops
• Following burndown, use any phenoxy auxin herbicide-containing product (e.g., containing 2,4-D, 2,4-DB,
MCPA, dichlorprop, LV6, MCPB, mecoprop) which is NOT expressly labeled for use in conjunction with Enlist crops,
including pre-emergent use
• Following burndown, use any pyridine auxin herbicides (e.g., triclopyr, fluroxypyr) on emerged Enlist™ Crops
• Apply any dicamba herbicide to Enlist E3 soybeans. Enlist E3 soybeans are not tolerant to dicamba, and severe crop
injury will occur. sparrell

Posted 5/13/2021 13:00 (#9003390 - in reply to #9002891) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

I wonder about crop safety with enlist one preemergence on corn. Like you said, it is labeled, but does that make it a good idea?

Tried on a few acres “here”, should know the results soon.

Bhrfarms

Posted 5/13/2021 14:35 (#9003510 - in reply to #9003390) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northeast Indiana

I asked Corteva reps about the labeling difference of lv4 or lv6 vs enlist one in non enlist corn. I know not all varieties/situations will cause an issue using 2,4-D as burndown or pre emerge with corn, but certain ones can. My thought was I wanted to know if they would stand behind the product if Enlist One did cause an issue. They claimed it was a safer formulation and Corteva would stand behind it. Though its easy to say its ok and that they will stand behind until there is an actual issue. steiner43511

Posted 5/13/2021 18:37 (#9003733 - in reply to #9003055) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northern Ohio Grain

And to add to your figures LV6 is 6 lb and Enlist is only 4 lb so the difference is even worse.

steiner43511

Posted 5/13/2021 18:39 (#9003735 - in reply to #9002874) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northern Ohio Grain

NOT is a strong word.

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FromtheFlats

Posted 5/13/2021 21:26 (#9003993 - in reply to #9003055) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

EC IL

One moves like its 1960's technology the other doesn't.
Adds a lot of value. Kit

Posted 5/13/2021 22:13 (#9004110 - in reply to #9003735) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

OK Panhandle

Do you have any context for these graphs, especially the bottom one? What study are they from? steiner43511

Posted 5/14/2021 05:23 (#9004273 - in reply to #9004110) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Northern Ohio Grain

https://tobacco.ces.ncsu.edu/2017/04/from-the-field-agronomy-notes-v...

NwmoW900

Posted 5/14/2021 06:32 (#9004328 - in reply to #9002874) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

northwest Missouri

No smell? Sprayed a few thousand acres with it last year and every night you could smell it driving by for 3 weeks. Lv6 smells but it is gone in a day. I figured if it still smelled was probably giving me some residual. paul the original

Posted 5/14/2021 06:42 (#9004353 - in reply to #9003327) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

southern MN

If you read the quote carefully, you can use a normal burn down, it’s as a pre you can’t use the old 24d.

A normal burn down could be an old 24d and wait 7 days.

Paul

lawfarms

Posted 5/14/2021 07:28 (#9004452 - in reply to #9003993) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

King City, Mo

In 2015 I sprayed lv6 in July on prevent plant ground to kill the twh and broadleaves but let the grass grow as a cover crop. It didn’t move....... blacklander

Posted 5/14/2021 12:04 (#9004866 - in reply to #9004452) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

Central Texas

Be glad you don't have cotton nearby, you would have seen how it can move. FromtheFlats

Posted 5/14/2021 20:14 (#9005450 - in reply to #9004452) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

EC IL

So happy for you. Jim1_ks

Posted 5/15/2021 08:18 (#9006007 - in reply to #9004866) Subject: RE: 2-4d vs enlist

South Central Kansas, Harper County

Thats the major reason we changed from Xtend Cotton to Enlist Cotton, although I liked my Xtend varieties better and the dicamba seems more effective on pigweeds on the fields.